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Topic: China--have we actually UNDERestimated its impact?
 
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lhsmithnet
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18 May 2006 7:15 PM
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"do you think the US has something to gain by resisting this development?"

Actually, I don't have a definite opinion on the benefits of resistance. Personally, I feel very fortunate to live in a nation (the US, if it isn't obvious) that is a dominant world power, and I would rather have that than the alternative. But ... growing up with the cold war and being the target of terrorists has been very unpleasant too.

I have somewhat more of a definite opinion that the US has a deeply entrenched predisposition to resist the ascendance of an untrusted world power; though it may view China as somewhat more trustworthy than it viewed the Soviet Union (and I don't have a worthwhile opinion on whether it really is or not). Call me fatalist, but what "we" think is good for the US or the world will make very little difference to what will actually happen.

I used the word "we" again, I mean something different every time. You have to guess what I mean, but the clue is that I try not to speak for people that I am sure have a very different opinion from "ours". :-)

"The more China is intergrated into the world economy, the more it will be constrained to play by the world economy's rules."

This is by definition. When they are in a dominant position, they will be the ones making the rules.


EngFear

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19 May 2006 4:08 AM
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Interesting article on calls for a Science Watchdog in China following an uncovering of fraud: http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=6941786


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19 May 2006 7:15 PM
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Undeniably, the spread of prosperity to China and India is an enormous positive for the U.S. economy.  It raises the demand for that which we have to sell, including technology, stocks, bonds, and real estate.  The incredibly high Chinese savings rate results in capital inflows to the U.S. markets. 

Disturbing however, is the Chinese demographic outlook.  As a result of China's one child policy and its prefernec for male children, there is a 25% shortage of Chinese brides.  There is not a large number of children to support future retirees.  Since China's birth rate has been so low for 30 years, the Chinese popuation is aging very rapidly and will get old before it gets rich.  China is heading towards an enormous retiremnt problem.


Mario-Marquinez
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28 May 2006 5:43 AM
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It is a very interesting discussion and I have no  way today of deciding my mind to one of the two mean possibilities: china is occidentalized ( talking about democratical methods and free markets) or will try to expand its communism  (or whatever we call their politycal regime) will develops , to the rest of the world.
An important quote seems to me, is  how we can really understand chinese mind, who can think, write and read with ideograms.
This means to me that their inner way of thinking things is very different to ours, and as they dominate both systems, (alphabetical and ideogramic) they do have an advantage over us , ( the rest of the world) , in the same category, fall japanese and other ideogramic cultures).
It is known that each language, has its own advantages in assessing some parts of  the reality, an ideogramic language, is also dominated aby few peopla  and totally dominated by nobody, so it si easier for an ilustratd elite to obtain adatage from this.regional or world wide.
About living or not in a world power nation, (I don´t) I feel that individual freedom is at risk, worl wide, not only by regimes that suppport their power in the economic control as those that uses religion or nationalism to same purposes.


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03 Jul 2006 2:03 AM
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agreed, a very interesting discussion.  a few thoughts to add to the mix:

1) china appears to be well on its way to becoming the world's largest economy.  the largest economy will support the largest military.  so it seems logical that china will be able to back up its national interests.

2) we in the US suffer from massive cultural myopia.  some of you in this thread who have lived in and worked in asian countries have a feel for this, but most americans (unfortunately our political leadership appears to be among them) have little understanding of how deeply culture divides us.  this is a huge liability in a global village.  in the words of anthropologist jeremy narby, "being bi-lingual is not enough.  we have to be bi-cognitive."

3) china appears to have some economic and political limitations intrinsic to its culture, as does japan.  it seems to me, as the youngest world power, the US has the least cultural inertia and the potential to be the most adaptive.  however, every leader winds up a prisoner of its history, dragging legacy thinking into the future that prevents adaptation and revitalization. 

we can sustain global leadership if we learn how to create organizations that are designed from the ground up to unleash the full value and potential of each member.  the legacy of traditional "check your brain at the door and do what we tell you to do" will doom us to second class status if we don't.  the chinese have too many advantages (albeit temporary) of labor cost and labor quantity for us to compete head to head in the next decade or two.  thoughts?


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