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HowardRheingold
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09 Jan 2006 11:56 PM |
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Jeff Jarvis's turn on Jim Surowiecki's phrase points to an emerging social dilemma. When you add public photos to Flickr, tag an URL via del.icio.us, or rate a seller on eBay, you are adding to the value of a commons, and you are adding to the value of Flicker and del.icio.us, which are now owned by Yahoo. As Jarvis put it:
Who owns my actions and attention and trust… but me? Who owns the
wisdom of the crowd… but the crowd? And what about those who enable the
crowd to be so smart… what do they own?
And is “own” the right verb? Or is it “control?” Or is it all just “sharing?”
Jarvis' excellent post is a good start. Sam Rose commented on Jarvis at Smartmobs.
Jarvis: http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2005/10/26/who-owns-the-wisdom-of-the-crowd-the-crowd/
Rose: http://www.smartmobs.com/archive/2006/01/09/jeff_jarvis_g.html
What do you think? And what do you think can be done? Here's one response:
Attention Trust: http://www.attentiontrust.org/
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ralph_poole
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14 Mar 2006 4:28 AM |
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I freely submit content to Flicker or del.icio.us and in return my contribution is enriched by the community.
For example, I am interested in the work of Charles Mingus and I post my bookmarks on del.icio.us as I search and learn about his music. My expect others who share my passion will enrich my understanding of what is available on the web about Charles Mingus. As links accrete around the topic it becomes increasingly more valuable to me and to others. In this case, I have no expectation of ownership, the value comes from collaboration with others. Ownership is a complete anathaema to this type of behavior.
When I post on a blog, I do expect that, rather than copied or represented as the work of someone else, I will be sited and the source of the work will be identified. The Creative Commons license was created to give people the right to freely cite your work with the correct attribution.
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HowardRheingold
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14 Mar 2006 4:50 AM |
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Good point, Ralph -- you are doing what open source programmers call "scratching an itch" (contributing to the community something that you need to do for yourself, but by doing it as a public contribution, you invite others to enrich a resource that you can use). But whether the forum owner is exploiting your contribution depends on how subtle the forum owner is when they profit from gift, doesn't it?
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chrismeyer
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15 Mar 2006 12:32 AM |
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Ownership is not the right word, because in general we think we know what it means. But in fact, even without digital media, "ownership" has many shades--you "own" a condo or a cooperative, but the owner's rights vary between these assets. And as a homeowner, you own your mineral rights but you don't control who can fly over your property. Every asset has its own dimensions of ownership.DRM is a lable for this whole set of questions for IP, and for the battleground among the various actors. But the question Ralph raises doesn't necessarily have to be answered explicitly. If Ralph enjoys posting without getting value defined in any way but his own gratification, then he will do it. If flickr can make money "exploiting" what people choose to do, it will do it. If both conditions don't hold, no deal. While many such questions remain to be figured out, it's an economic negotiation, not an issue with a unique right solution.
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ralph_poole
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15 Mar 2006 1:15 AM |
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The forum owner creates the platform; a platform that, for whatever reason, captures the imagination of people and encourages participaton. This is very valuable. The software engineers at Flickr and del.icio.us are very clever. The network effect increases the value of the platform. Once the forum has reached a critical mass, my post, for example, and the resulting interactions, have extraordinary value to me, and to the community. Content has greater value within the context of the platform.
Do you think content would have more or less value if viewed outside the context created by the publishing platform?
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ralph_poole
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15 Mar 2006 1:38 AM |
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By the way, when I post to Flickr or to del.icio.us, do I relinquish the rights to my content?
del.icio.us says in it's terms of service that:
"By posting content, you are granting permission to us and others to access and use it in connection with the Services, the Site and otherwise in connection with our business. You can mark content as private to restrict access and use to those users to whom you explicitly grant access. For publicly accessible content, you can label your compilations with one of several possible licenses. It is important to note that you can only copyright the compilation itself, not the individual links that make up the compilation. Please also note that just because your compilation does not have a license agreement attached to it does not mean that it is public domain. For a compilation to be classified as such, it must be explicitly labeled as belonging to the public domain. Your use of a license in connection with your compilation does not affect del.icio.us's right to access and use it in connection with the Services, the Site or otherwise in connection with our business."
del.icio.us, therefore is able to monetize the content posted by users, because we have given them "permission" to use it in connection with their services.
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edwardvielmetti
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16 Mar 2006 10:07 PM |
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When you post here to FutureMonitor, Monitor Networks owns your words, and the words of everyone else who has posted. It's not ok per the terms of service to quote from here elsewhere. Ergo you would expect the network effects that you see on Flickr and delicious to be absent here.
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